Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera



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From: Piotr Jakubowski <piotr_jakubowski_at_nospam_poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:08:18 +0200


Witam

Podobny problem juz sie pojawial na tej liscie, ale u mnie zrodlem
zaklocen jest dekoder Cyfry. Kiedy lacze komputer z TV to pojawiaja
sie 2 poziome pasy przesuwajace sie powoli do gory. Gdy dekoder jest
odlaczony od telewizora lub odlacze przewod od anteny, to problem
znika.

Czy sa gdzies dostepne separatory galwaniczne do sygnalu z anteny
satelitarnej (1-2.5 GHz) w przystepnej cenie?


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From: "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:14:51 +0200


Uzytkownik "Piotr Jakubowski"
sie 2 poziome pasy przesuwajace sie powoli do gory. Gdy dekoder jest
odlaczony od telewizora lub odlacze przewod od anteny, to problem
znika.

poszesz o przewodzie anteny sat? Jesli tak, to raczej takich separatorów nie
ma bo musialyby przeniesc zkladowa stala zasilania. Teoretycznie antena z
konwerterem jest podlaczona wylacznie do tunera i jej podlaczenie nie
powinno wplywac na zaklócenia. Jesli masz zaklócenia, to poszukalbym jeszcze
jednego oprócz kabla, polaczenia galwanicznego ukladu - antena, konwerter,
kabel z jakims elementem zasilania lub sieci.
P.



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From: "sdsd" <a_at_nospam_b.c>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:58:40 +0200



Użytkownik "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl> napisał w wiadomości
news:b863l4$1f0j$1_at_nospam_news2.ipartners.pl...
Uzytkownik "Piotr Jakubowski"
sie 2 poziome pasy przesuwajace sie powoli do gory. Gdy dekoder jest
odlaczony od telewizora lub odlacze przewod od anteny, to problem
znika.

poszesz o przewodzie anteny sat? Jesli tak, to raczej takich separatorów
nie
ma bo musialyby przeniesc zkladowa stala zasilania. Teoretycznie antena z
konwerterem jest podlaczona wylacznie do tunera i jej podlaczenie nie
powinno wplywac na zaklócenia. Jesli masz zaklócenia, to poszukalbym
jeszcze
jednego oprócz kabla, polaczenia galwanicznego ukladu - antena, konwerter,
kabel z jakims elementem zasilania lub sieci.
P.





problemem jest różnica potencjałów masy komputera i anteny (występuje
najczęściej gdy ktoś korzysta z anteny zbiorczej) rozwiązaniem tego jest
puszczenie masy anteny i przewodu gorącego przez kondensatory np 1 nF

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From: "zbycho" <zka_at_nospam__at_nospam_tenbit.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:21:55 +0200



Użytkownik "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl> napisał w wiadomości
news:b863l4$1f0j$1_at_nospam_news2.ipartners.pl...
Uzytkownik "Piotr Jakubowski"
sie 2 poziome pasy przesuwajace sie powoli do gory. Gdy dekoder jest
odlaczony od telewizora lub odlacze przewod od anteny, to problem
znika.

poszesz o przewodzie anteny sat? Jesli tak, to raczej takich separatorów
nie
ma bo musialyby przeniesc zkladowa stala zasilania. Teoretycznie antena z
konwerterem jest podlaczona wylacznie do tunera i jej podlaczenie nie
powinno wplywac na zaklócenia. Jesli masz zaklócenia, to poszukalbym
jeszcze
jednego oprócz kabla, polaczenia galwanicznego ukladu - antena, konwerter,
kabel z jakims elementem zasilania lub sieci.
P.

A jak komputer masz podłączony do internetu? - radiolinia?



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From: "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:35:07 +0200


Użytkownik "zbycho"
A jak komputer masz podłączony do internetu? - radiolinia?

o jakim komputerze piszesz? I jaki on ma wpływ na układ tuner - antena?
P.



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From: "zbycho" <zka_at_nospam__at_nospam_tenbit.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:06:07 +0200



Użytkownik "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl> napisał w wiadomości
news:b8ii88$1v3a$1_at_nospam_news2.ipartners.pl...
Użytkownik "zbycho"
A jak komputer masz podłączony do internetu? - radiolinia?

o jakim komputerze piszesz? I jaki on ma wpływ na układ tuner - antena?

o tym co w temacie, sieć komputerowa to też rozległa kablologia
gdzieś z czegoś zasilana - niekoniecznie z twojej fazy.

pzdr
ZK




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From: "zbycho" <zka_at_nospam__at_nospam_tenbit.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:06:07 +0200



Użytkownik "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl> napisał w wiadomości
news:b8ii88$1v3a$1_at_nospam_news2.ipartners.pl...
Użytkownik "zbycho"
A jak komputer masz podłączony do internetu? - radiolinia?

o jakim komputerze piszesz? I jaki on ma wpływ na układ tuner - antena?

o tym co w temacie, sieć komputerowa to też rozległa kablologia
gdzieś z czegoś zasilana - niekoniecznie z twojej fazy.

pzdr
ZK




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From: "zbycho" <zka_at_nospam__at_nospam_tenbit.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:06:07 +0200



Użytkownik "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl> napisał w wiadomości
news:b8ii88$1v3a$1_at_nospam_news2.ipartners.pl...
Użytkownik "zbycho"
A jak komputer masz podłączony do internetu? - radiolinia?

o jakim komputerze piszesz? I jaki on ma wpływ na układ tuner - antena?

o tym co w temacie, sieć komputerowa to też rozległa kablologia
gdzieś z czegoś zasilana - niekoniecznie z twojej fazy.

pzdr
ZK




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From: "zbycho" <zka_at_nospam__at_nospam_tenbit.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:24:57 +0200



Użytkownik "zbycho" <zka_at_nospam__at_nospam_tenbit.pl> napisał w wiadomości
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Użytkownik "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl> napisał w wiadomości
news:b8ii88$1v3a$1_at_nospam_news2.ipartners.pl...
Użytkownik "zbycho"
A jak komputer masz podłączony do internetu? - radiolinia?

o jakim komputerze piszesz? I jaki on ma wpływ na układ tuner - antena?

o tym co w temacie, sieć komputerowa to też rozległa kablologia
gdzieś z czegoś zasilana - niekoniecznie z twojej fazy.

pzdr
ZK

sorki za powtórzenia,

tak się dzieje jak OE ma kłopoty z wysłaniem i
powtarza a to już kilka razy poleciało

pzdr





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From: "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:36:18 +0200


Użytkownik "zbycho"
o tym co w temacie, sieć komputerowa to też rozległa kablologia
gdzieś z czegoś zasilana - niekoniecznie z twojej fazy.

tak, ale wyraźnie było napisane, że po odłączeniu anteny/konwertera
zakłócenia znikają, zatem ja bym szukał właśnie w tym układzie a nie ruszał
skrętki czy w ogóle sieci rozległej. Pewnie wystarczy 'odgalwanizować'
antenę/konwerter od elementu konstrukcyjnego budynku.
P.



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From: "zbycho" <zka_at_nospam__at_nospam_tenbit.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:18:13 +0200


o tym co w temacie, sieć komputerowa to też rozległa kablologia
gdzieś z czegoś zasilana - niekoniecznie z twojej fazy.

tak, ale wyraźnie było napisane, że po odłączeniu anteny/konwertera
zakłócenia znikają, zatem ja bym szukał właśnie w tym układzie a nie
ruszał
skrętki czy w ogóle sieci rozległej. Pewnie wystarczy 'odgalwanizować'
antenę/konwerter od elementu konstrukcyjnego budynku.

Źródłem zakłóceń jest jakiś obwód elektryczny,
cała zabawa polega na tym aby ustalić skąd i dokąd sobie coś płynie.
Może być np. tak że pojawia się duża różnica potencjału pomiędzy instalacją
anteny i masą klablówki i jest to razem źródłem zakłóceń, pamiętaj że
umasienie sieci komputerowej albo w innym przypadku kabla TVkablowej może
być bardzo daleko od ciebie a i zasilanie tego może być podłączone do innej
fazy
(prawdopodobieństwo=2/3, w firmach wszyscy dbają aby cała instalacja
komputerowa
była na jednej fazie).
Rozwiązaniem problemu jest przerwanie takiego obwodu.
Empirycznie stwierdziłeś, że odłączenie anteny pomaga, możesz iść
tą drogą, albo znaleźć inne punkt.

pzdr
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From: "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:47:14 +0200


Użytkownik "zbycho"
ciach
Rozwiązaniem problemu jest przerwanie takiego obwodu.

dokładnie.

Empirycznie stwierdziłeś, że odłączenie anteny pomaga, możesz iść
tą drogą, albo znaleźć inne punkt.

nie ja a Piotr. I właśnie dlatego zaproponowałem pójście drogą wyeliminowała
zakłóceń poprzez przerwanie umasienia anteny/konwertera. Bo najłatwiejsza.
Pop cholerę szukać innych punktów skoro mam jeden, a do tego prosty w
wyeliminowaniu problemu?
I kończmy, bo zaczyna się robić dyskusja czysto akademicka. Gadamy by
podtrzymać dyskusję.
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From: "Marek Dzwonnik" <mdz_at_nospam_message.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:54:27 +0200


Użytkownik "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl> napisał w wiadomości
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Uzytkownik "Piotr Jakubowski"
sie 2 poziome pasy przesuwajace sie powoli do gory. Gdy dekoder jest
odlaczony od telewizora lub odlacze przewod od anteny, to problem
znika.

poszesz o przewodzie anteny sat? Jesli tak, to raczej takich
separatorów nie ma bo musialyby przeniesc zkladowa stala zasilania.
Teoretycznie antena z konwerterem jest podlaczona wylacznie do tunera
i jej podlaczenie nie powinno wplywac na zaklócenia. Jesli masz
zaklócenia, to poszukalbym jeszcze jednego oprócz kabla, polaczenia
galwanicznego ukladu - antena, konwerter, kabel z jakims elementem
zasilania lub sieci.


Czasza = masa_konwertera połączona galwanicznie z uziemionym elementem
konstrukcyjnym budynku?

IMO:
Modulacja jasności jest skutkiem przepływu prądu wyrównawczego w ekranie
kabla sygnałowego (dekoder_video_out -> TV_video_in) powodującego spadki
napięcia nakładające się na sygnał sygnał wizyjny.

  • Nie możemy separować kabla koncentrycznego (konwerter <-> dekoder), ze

względu na zasilanie konwertera
  • Możemy za to:

  • odseparować mocowanie konwertera od uziemiającej go czaszy. (Trochę

nieładne, bo uzyskujemy kawał wiszącej anteny, w krórej będa indukować się
niepotrzebne śmieci. Może dołożyć jakiś kilkunasto V warystor między czaszę
i konwerter żeby ściąć ew. nadmierne różnice potencjałów?)
  • połączyć grubym przewodem masy dekodera i TV, tak aby zminimalizować

spadek napięcia na tym, newralgicznym odcinku.

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From: "PK" <skalar7_at_nospam_USUN_TOpoczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Zaklocenia z dekodera Cyfry na TV-out komputera
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:37:56 +0200


Użytkownik "Marek Dzwonnik"
Czasza = masa_konwertera połączona galwanicznie z uziemionym elementem
konstrukcyjnym budynku?

no właśnie o tym pisałem.

- odseparować mocowanie konwertera od uziemiającej go czaszy. (Trochę
nieładne, bo uzyskujemy kawał wiszącej anteny, w krórej będa indukować się
niepotrzebne śmieci.

są plastikowe mocowania konwerterów, np tak jak u cyfry i proponował bym
użycie takiego.
P.



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